TIW 2v2 Challenge Tournament

 [Eot_]RedRuM__


Join Date: 11 January 2011
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Edited 25 November 2018 - 8:41 pm by [Eot_]RedRuM__
Im trying to cater to everyone mate and the reason i added cba was to try and cater even more to what is very much a cb lobby. They can all be played more than once if it comes up in the decider. I actually spoke with some of the biggest advocates of cbs before i tried to create this like for example malte. If we look at what vivo is saying who is also an advocate of cbs then he can see what im trying to achieve as well. I know you can see it as well but I do understand what your saying. Think of it this way in theory with how its set 2 evenly matched teams one being a cba hero team and the other a rcb team or cba team and they both win their home maps. So what decides it? Random makes it fair

How its set it kind of forces players of different genres to play maps outside of their comfort zone and thus encouraging diversity. Most of the sets im fairly certain will have mostly cbs played which is fine, some will only have only cbs as well.

By trying to cater to everybody you will lose everybody. Your approach would make sense if the old blood community was active so nonetheless the tournament would happen even if the CB community would't take the bait(3 cb's versus 9 bloods). 3 CB's in the tournament map pack in a lobby dominated by CB's is just that, a bait.

In 2014, 2015, 2016 the appearance of Random tg caused a revolution turning highly skilled CB players into hybride bloods players, but those days are over. Random TG doesn't have the same effect anymore. Those who wanted to convert, did already, the rest don't want to. Since we don't have much new people joining the CS lobby to play there is little chance of more conversions.

The only way to make skilled CB players like bloods is to make CB tournaments with here and there some bloods, not the other way around.
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 [xCs]BEKSniper_


Join Date: 6 May 2013
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 8:41 pm
Im trying to cater to everyone mate and the reason i added cba was to try and cater even more to what is very much a cb lobby. They can all be played more than once if it comes up in the decider. I actually spoke with some of the biggest advocates of cbs before i tried to create this like for example malte. If we look at what vivo is saying who is also an advocate of cbs then he can see what im trying to achieve as well. I know you can see it as well but I do understand what your saying. Think of it this way in theory with how its set 2 evenly matched teams one being a cba hero team and the other a rcb team or cba team and they both win their home maps. So what decides it? Random makes it fair

How its set it kind of forces players of different genres to play maps outside of their comfort zone and thus encouraging diversity. Most of the sets im fairly certain will have mostly cbs played which is fine, some will only have only cbs as well.

Actually, Random would not be fair as that heavily favors the blooders. Theoritically, it is almost impossible for cb players to win the finals.

Already cb players need to win one blood map in a bo5 and have odds of 2/14 vs 12/14 in the decider.

My proposition would be for it to be decided by a coin toss winner chooses map. Or a we make map back containing only the more accessible maps for the 2 sides.

For example:
AB
Khanz
CBA or Hero
HF

I think both your current proposition and efkans can be argued for. I see this as a good middle ground.
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 [Eot_]Zanchy____


Join Date: 30 November 2012
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 8:46 pm
I think there is a huge population of CBA Hero players, a big population of RCB and CBA players, a small population of Smosh, Vet, Gwarz & AB players and little to no population of other Blood/Alternative players.

I would suggest CBA Hero, CBA, RCB, Smosh, Vet, Gwarz & AB only as all maps. Keep is small, simple and more CB heavy than your list. Don't bother with vetos and do BO5 per round, BO3 not enough. That way CBA Hero clans like [xCs] can field a team like ViVo + Blodibek, who can pick CBA and Hero and then if 2-2 a random decider with all of those maps in. If you're a really strong Hero & CBA player (as most top Hero players are), you only need to 1 more more map to win every round 3-0 or 3-1.
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 [Eot_]Marvel__


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Posted 25 November 2018 - 9:02 pm
How about having the decider as a best of 3 hero/cba random civ? I think random caters to more players than mirror, and its kind of a middle ground, and the lobby is 95% cba/hero random, not mirror.
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 +Army1_VCom


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Posted 25 November 2018 - 9:38 pm
Alot of the recent points have alot of vaidity but to deverse too some of the suggestions wouldnt make this a hybrid of tiw 2v2. While im diffently not against a different tournament we have also seen a number of late tuning in to spec on some high quality games so its also about trying to encourage them back to play as well. A random pack can be fixed using all those maps that gives cbs every bit an equal chance to come up as a blood map even with the 3 to 9 ratio
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 [dv8]OrangWuTang


Join Date: 21 August 2012
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 10:44 pm
+Army1_VCom wrote:
A random pack can be fixed using all those maps that gives cbs every bit an equal chance to come up as a blood map even with the 3 to 9 ratio
So, something like
9x Bloods (various)
4x CBA Hero
3x CBA
2x RCB?

Sounds fair to me.
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 [I3acI]_Army1_


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Edited 25 November 2018 - 10:57 pm by [I3acI]_Army1_
So, something like
9x Bloods (various)
4x CBA Hero
3x CBA
2x RCB?

Sounds fair to me.

Yeah though your forgetting the alternative maps:

2 x Europe
2 x Lustful

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 [Eot_]Zanchy____


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Posted 25 November 2018 - 10:57 pm
Yeah though your forgetting the alternative maps:

2 x Europe
2 x Lustful

dodgeball more played than europe 24
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 [I3acI]_Army1_


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Edited 25 November 2018 - 11:00 pm by [I3acI]_Army1_
Dodgeball also wasnt voted into the map pool and while i did include CBA it was more because it was a shock it wasnt and really it should be there with the CB landscape in custom. But im not against including it if its really wanted?
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 [Eot_]Zanchy____


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Posted 25 November 2018 - 11:14 pm
Dodgeball also wasnt voted into the map pool and while i did include CBA it was more because it was a shock it wasnt and really it should be there with the CB landscape in custom. But im not against including it if its really wanted?

Maybe it's worth just voting for all again? the players have changed since last time, and some of them may want to come back... but we want the maps to reflect the players who would actually be playing.

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 Th0m


Join Date: 28 March 2012
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 11:24 pm
How about having the decider as a best of 3 hero/cba random civ? I think random caters to more players than mirror, and its kind of a middle ground, and the lobby is 95% cba/hero random, not mirror.

Agreed. We can maybe have 1/2 mirror matches in CBA/Hero but the rest ought to be random civ since that's the format played predominantly in CS - it should be more enticing to the rest of CS.
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 [I3acI]_Army1_


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Posted 25 November 2018 - 11:30 pm
Maybe it's worth just voting for all again? the players have changed since last time, and some of them may want to come back... but we want the maps to reflect the players who would actually be playing.

There will be a completely new map vote when we actually do another TIW for sure. This is more just a spin from the last TIW to help try and promote perhaps another, its something i wanted to do not long after the last TIW but then we had alot of inactivity. The recent 2v2 sets and of course the discussion with yourself and efkan for your set reminded me off it. As of now we litterally have no idea who will play never mind try and get another vote from various clans
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 24_King_


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Posted 26 November 2018 - 12:27 am
Th0m wrote:
Agreed. We can maybe have 1/2 mirror matches in CBA/Hero but the rest ought to be random civ since that's the format played predominantly in CS - it should be more enticing to the rest of CS.
You're right, random games predominate, but players who participate in tournaments 99% know how to play mirror.

I prefer as decider Hidden civilizations In CBA Hero or CBA.
It would be the responsibility of the players to win with their luck, and not the game.
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 user124641314


Join Date: 3 February 2017
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 12:42 am
24_King_ wrote:
I prefer as decider Hidden civilizations In CBA Hero or CBA.
It would be the responsibility of the players to win with their luck, and not the game.


someone will find the perfect match up and it will be mirror games again
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 [I3acI]JimmyRat


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Posted 26 November 2018 - 3:12 am
hidden civ will be an additional fun way to play .. and I don't believe it will end up on mirror. Some people are creative/risk adverse/risk loving. It will just be a new fun way to play.

the question remains: what is the main objective of this TIW:
1) To have the much fun
2) To have competitive matchs

If 1) we should keep as simple as possible. The fewer maps the better as people from other category can try and train. Adding 10 blood maps will only deter people from joining.
If 2) the casual players will not join

Best,
Raton


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